{"id":10937,"date":"2015-10-01T08:01:33","date_gmt":"2015-10-01T15:01:33","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/spijue.wpengine.com\/news\/vatican-observers-question-clerks-visit-with-pope\/"},"modified":"2015-10-01T08:01:33","modified_gmt":"2015-10-01T15:01:33","slug":"vatican-observers-question-clerks-visit-with-pope","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.juneauempire.com\/news\/vatican-observers-question-clerks-visit-with-pope\/","title":{"rendered":"Vatican observers question clerk’s visit with pope"},"content":{"rendered":"

LOUISVILLE, Ky.<\/strong> \u2014 The private meeting Pope Francis held with defiant Kentucky clerk Kim Davis is a strong papal endorsement of religious resistance to gay marriage, but it doesn\u2019t necessarily mean he approves of how she\u2019s waged her fight, experts said Wednesday.<\/p>\n

The Vatican newspaper, L\u2019Osservatore Romano, said their encounter in Washington last Thursday was private. Out of deference to the Vatican, Davis\u2019 attorney, Mat Staver, would not say how it was arranged. The Vatican essentially confirmed it, without further comment.<\/p>\n

Davis said she grasped the pope\u2019s outstretched hand, and he told her to \u201cstay strong.\u201d<\/p>\n

Davis refused to issue any marriage licenses in Rowan County, Kentucky, rather than comply with the Supreme Court ruling that effectively legalized gay marriage nationwide. She served five days in jail rather than resign. Some of her deputies now issue licenses without her authority, and she claims they are invalid.<\/p>\n

\u201cJust knowing that the pope is on track with what we\u2019re doing and agreeing, you know, it kind of validates everything,\u201d Davis told ABC News.<\/p>\n

But Vatican observers say that\u2019s reading too much into the visit.<\/p>\n

\u201cYou can\u2019t take his presence with somebody as his affirmation of everything that they stand for,\u201d said Cathleen Kaveny, a theologian and legal scholar at Boston College. \u201cHe thanked her for her courage and told her to stay strong. That\u2019s a commitment to her voice in the conversation. I don\u2019t think it\u2019s necessarily commitment to her policy views.\u201d<\/p>\n

Staver\u2019s revelation that Francis met his Apostolic Christian client at the Vatican Embassy after speaking to Congress provided a stunning coda to the pope\u2019s triumphant visit, which ended Sunday.<\/p>\n

Francis largely steered clear of culture war issues, telling the U.S. bishops to avoid \u201charsh and divisive\u201d language despite the challenges they face in society.<\/p>\n

From the start of his six-day tour, Francis encouraged Americans to preserve religious freedom, but did so among a list of many other issues.<\/p>\n

At the White House, he said \u201cAmerican Catholics are committed to building a society which is truly tolerant and inclusive,\u201d then said \u201cthey are likewise concerned that efforts to build a just and wisely ordered society respect their deepest concerns and their right to religious liberty.\u201d<\/p>\n

Religious freedom, Francis said, is \u201cone of America\u2019s most precious possessions.\u201d<\/p>\n

Still, with much ground to cover during his first U.S. trip, Francis also emphasized immigration, climate change, workers\u2019 rights, the death penalty and war. By reaching above and beyond America\u2019s usual political and social divides, Francis raised questions about whether he prioritizes objections to gay marriage and other laws as much as U.S. bishops do.<\/p>\n

U.S. Catholic leaders have increasingly invested in lobbying for accommodations for religious objectors, desperate to preserve the right of faith-based charities, colleges and hospitals to hire, fire, serve and set policy according to church teaching.<\/p>\n

The pope also had a private meeting with the Little Sisters of the Poor, a religious order that, along with dozens of dioceses, is suing President Barack Obama over the birth control requirement in the Affordable Care Act, arguing that an exemption for religious objectors is too narrow.<\/p>\n

Both meetings help \u201crefute the mistaken idea that the pope was somehow trying to put distance between himself and the current, on-the-ground religious freedom controversies and challenges that the American bishops and others are facing,\u201d said Rick Garnett, a University of Notre Dame law professor who specializes in religious freedom.<\/p>\n

Archbishop Joseph E. Kurtz of Louisville, Kentucky, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, referred questions to the Vatican.<\/p>\n

Davis and her husband met with the pope for less than 15 minutes, Staver said.<\/p>\n

That\u2019s puzzling to Francis DeBernardo, who runs the New Ways Ministry, which seeks acceptance for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender Catholics. The pope had turned away a crush of advocacy groups lobbying to see him, and held some meetings, including with donors to Catholic schools and heads of Catholic nonprofits. That he carved out even a few minutes in his event-packed schedule for Davis was noteworthy, DeBernardo said.<\/p>\n

\u201cIt throws a wet blanket on the goodwill that the pontiff had garnered during his U.S. visit last week,\u201d DeBernardo said.<\/p>\n

Two years ago, Francis said \u201cWho am I to judge?\u201d when asked about a supposedly gay priest, but he has also affirmed marriage is between a man and woman. He didn\u2019t emphasize church teaching on marriage during this trip because he wanted to offer a \u201cpositive\u201d message about families to America, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, the Vatican spokesman, told reporters.<\/p>\n

While flying back to Rome last Sunday, reporters urged Francis to clarify his position on the religious freedoms of government officials. Without mentioning Davis, the pope said, \u201cI can\u2019t have in mind all cases\u201d but called conscientious objection a human right.<\/p>\n

\u201cAnd if a person does not allow others to be a conscientious objector, he denies a right,\u201d Francis said.<\/p>\n

Still, Kaveny said none of these comments give any indication that Francis understands the details of Davis\u2019 case, nor do they show how he would balance the conscience rights of a religious objector with the duties of a public official.<\/p>\n

\u201cReligious liberty is an important value, but it\u2019s not a value that sits above everything else,\u201d said Kaveny. \u201cThe right of conscientious objection isn\u2019t necessarily the right of conscientious obstruction.\u201d<\/p>\n

White House press secretary Josh Earnest noted that Obama said this weekend that \u201cour religious freedom doesn\u2019t grant us the freedom to deny our fellow Americans their constitutional rights.\u201d<\/p>\n

___<\/p>\n

AP Religion Writer Rachel Zoll wrote from New York; Galofaro contributed from Louisville, Darlene Superville from Washington and Nicole Winfield from Rome.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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